Ms Oonagh McPhillips:

I am obviously not across everything that happens in the wider service, but in terms of education, on which Ms McCaffrey is always very interesting, we often find prison can be the first opportunity people have to engage with the education system, sit in a class and so forth. It is not that other services are not doing their best – I am sure they are – but people do fall out of the system. I see Dr. Regan is nodding as I say this. Prison is not a second chance for many people but, as Ms McCaffrey states, a first chance.