Ms Anne O'Leary:

I will start on it. On the first day that Larry Bass came to the board - by the way, this was the largest project that had been approved by the audit and risk committee and the board - it was to give him a contract for “Dancing with the Stars”, which was for more than €2 million. Of course, he had to stand out. It is a conflict of interest; he could not be in the room. Similarly with other independents, while they were coming in and perhaps looking at a tender document, he would have had to step out and would have received redacted minutes of meetings and redacted documents because it would be unfair for him to have documents from his competitors that would show what they were proposing to RTÉ. We got advice and were told that the conflict in interest was so high in that regard that he would have to be stepping in and out of board meetings and getting redacted minutes. That was the case at the time.