Mr. Kevin Bakhurst:

Around this time, the finance department was restructured. As Ms Cusack said, in respect of the terms of this 2017 scheme, it was not about the actual role itself, but whether 80% of costs could be saved. Now, my understanding is that at least two people from the finance department left the organisation and were not replaced at that time. There were savings made around the department, so it is not a case that there were no savings. There were some savings, but this still comes back to the fact that the proper process was not followed and it should have been.