Mr. Kevin Bakhurst:

I have spoken to Eimear about this a lot. Eimear recognises she questioned it and probably should have questioned it more. It is important to remember this was the chief executive instructing someone who had joined the organisation a relatively short time before to do it, and instructing her working with the CFO, who was a peer of Eimear's at the time and who was overseeing financial aspects of the scheme. I think Eimear recognises this should not have happened.

I would say one thing, Deputy. From what I have discovered about RTÉ, this is the way the organisation was run, in a siloed way with decisions taken outside the normal routes, avoiding governance, not going through the executive, not going to board when they should-----