Mr. John Dunne:

One thing is pay could be made more attractive. In the short term, there is the issue of travel. The Government has been playing ducks and drakes on the travel front. For a while, there was an argument that there was no need to pay travel time and that was simply because there had not been an Irish test case of the Tyco European case in Spain. They then turned around and said they would pay travel time. However, in constructing the model, they said they were giving €2 for travel time. I pointed out that €2 would get someone about 4 miles down the road. Therefore, a care worker could only work-----