Micheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

That is very fair. On de-mining, we are saying to the European Union on the EPF that de-mining is okay and that could involve equipment as well. For anything that de-mines a zone we have no issue and we train Ukrainian soldiers to de-mine.

I do not have an issue with that but I take the Deputy's point. To be frank, I will have to come back to him on the precise mechanisms to give effect to that. We have been telling Josep Borrell that demining is key for us in the reformulation because I accept the principle articulated by the Chair and Deputy Berry that it is non-lethal. I will examine the other two areas the Deputy mentioned. Air defence is key for Ukraine this winter.