Mr. John Coleman:

To give the Senator a handle on the level of staffing, 300 might sound like a lot but we look in concept like a large house builder bolted to a large rental housing provider. In the private sector, that might be Cairn or Glenveagh plc bolted to IRES. Cairn and Glenveagh might have around 250 employees each and IRES might have about 100. That gives a handle on the level of management and staffing needed. We critically analyse whether every role is needed or not. We do not take any roles unnecessarily. We look at the bottom line as much as possible. I take the Senator's point.