Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 18 January 2024

Public Accounts Committee

Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Social Insurance Fund 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 13 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 14 - Ex gratia Payments of €1.4 million to Social Welfare Branch Managers
Chapter 15 - Raising Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 16 - Recovery of Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 17 - Actuarial Review of the Social Insurance Fund

9:30 am

Mr. John McKeon:

It is an estimate. Obviously, we do not track people's movements but we do know how many people we have issued personal public service, PPS, numbers to and we know how many of them are making employment returns to Revenue and how many are in receipt of welfare payments from the Department. When we add up all the people making payments to Revenue and all the people in receipt of payments from the Department, compared with the number of PPS numbers issued, there is a gap. We estimate that approximately 20,000 have left. The CSO has also produced an estimate using its own figures and it is the same figure of about 20,000.

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