Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 18 January 2024

Public Accounts Committee

Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Social Insurance Fund 2022
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 13 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 14 - Ex gratia Payments of €1.4 million to Social Welfare Branch Managers
Chapter 15 - Raising Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 16 - Recovery of Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 17 - Actuarial Review of the Social Insurance Fund

9:30 am

Mr. John McKeon:

I think that is where we are. The Deputy will have heard one of his colleagues talking earlier about one of his constituents who has a disability, where we took 12 weeks to determine the claim. We could have taken four weeks to determine it but that would have consequences. If we wanted to reduce fraud and error on, say, disability allowance claims, it could take a lot longer to award them and that is not in anybody's interest.

As I often say, I worked in the telecommunications sector for a long time with Telecom Éireann, Eir and Eircom. The bad debt rate in that organisation, which is considered a good bad debt rate, was about 5%. That is an organisation that had the ability to cut off the only telephone line a person had, and even with that it was 5%. Commercial businesses generally operate at about 5% bad debt. Retail businesses operate on what is called a leakage rate of 3% and that is their target. They target 3% leakage, which is basically pilfering. We are at or around the industry standard.

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