Dr. Ray Griffin:

I thank everyone. We discussed the time horizon and the thresholds a great deal. Our approach in framing the time horizon was to put it at a minimal standard. The five years was designed purposefully to kick it over the political horizon of an election. I think it will be enough, as a starting point. I am sure the committee will tease it out with the people who are on the inside.

On the ICT systems, I gather that the public spending code - whether it is contained in an ICT system or a manual ledger, I do not know - means that this is centrally held. It is not a radical gesture and beyond the scope of the Administration to produce. If we do not have this data within our political and administrative systems, then the State has much bigger problems.