Mr. Bernard O'Regan:

Deputy Murnane O'Connor is absolutely right about the staffing. It is a core part of how we support people, and recruitment and retention of staff are very challenging.

As regards section 39, there is a WRC agreement. I think that had two parts to it. One was a commitment to pay, to begin to bridge the gap, and the other was a commitment to a renewed process. From a HSE perspective, in terms of the agencies we fund, we are actively working with the Department to release the funding that has been approved to meet that. The new Building Momentum talks were intended also to incorporate the next phase. We will have to see what the outcome of that is, but I certainly have hope for the commitments that were made towards ensuring that people are paid a fair wage for fair work, equitable to what others have done. Until we do that, we are constantly going to be dealing with this challenge. We have a very rich section 39 sector that can offer a lot of potential in terms of service delivery and has a long track record of doing so. I think there are things we can do that-----