Dr. Tricia Keilthy:

Yes. I will follow up on renoviction before passing to Ms Petrie to discuss pay-as-you-go costs.

It is a delicate balance. A great deal of work has been done on this question by the Department in recent years. We want to see two things. First, how will we get to where we need to be under the strategy that has been committed to? That it is a difficult issue to solve does not mean we should not try to solve it. Second, our recommendation on HAP could be implemented on a pilot basis to examine different types of landlord and how the system might work. Landlords who are part of the HAP scheme are already receiving public funds and subject to inspections under housing standards, so there is already a structure. Perhaps we could examine shallower measures and how they would work. We are not naïve in believing this would require a great deal of thinking and iterations, but it is important we be moving in the right direction. People in the private rented sector are more likely to be in accommodation with low BER ratings and to be lower income households. If we want to tackle energy poverty, we cannot ignore this issue.