Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

-----and on what role, if any, the Department of Finance or the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform has in inputting into that kind of a mechanism or if it is exclusive that the Department deals with it and makes that decision. I have no problem with us having borrowings when there are assets on the other side. It is an entirely different thing when there are assets on the other side such as the investments in infrastructure, transport, and housing and so on, because effectively they can end up saving money. We are spending a lot of money, for example, on housing assistance payments which is going to be a residual cost instead of the capital cost of actually building.