Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

Okay. Why is it the case that the HSE is not a part of those negotiations? The Minister did touch on this aspect a few minutes ago but it seems ridiculous that there is an arm's length type of relationship, to say the least, between the HSE and the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform. Did something get lost in the telling here, or is it a case of relations between the Departments of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform and Health being very poor?