Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

We appreciate that. I am not in any way suggesting that. We all saw individual members of An Garda Síochána. In fact, we saw them on their own in some instances. What I am suggesting is that the leadership had lost control. We could be all day arguing that and may never agree.

I want to go through the timeline. The knife attack on the teacher and the three children was at 1.30 p.m. At 2 p.m. the public order unit was on the scene. At 1.30 p.m., was the Commissioner in touch with the Minister for Justice? It was a pretty serious incident, enough to shock people, and definitely not something we are used to. Did the Commissioner talk directly to the Minister for Justice at 1.30 p.m.?