Mr. Bernard Gloster:

Yes but one will find that there are disagreements from time to time. The issue for me, fundamentally, is not so much the disagreement on the numbers. The issue for me is that there are people on trolleys, and they are old and frail people who need to be cared for and looked after. They do not just need clinical care; they need compassion and kindness. Fellows like me getting well paid to be fighting about numbers is not any good to them, so my focus is on them.