Mr. Bernard Gloster:

As I said to the Senator, I certainly intend to demonstrate visibly and in real time four figures: EDs and trolley EDs at 8 o'clock, trolleys up the house, people in surge, and DTOC. I hope that the combination of those first three will come to the same figure as that of the INMO, and of course we would have a discussion with them about it. This is not about a "them and us" kind of thing.