Mr. Bernard Gloster:

I accept it, and will assist the Deputy with that. Clerical grades go from grade 3 to grade 8, with the traditional grade 8 seen as the senior management pitch. Grade 8 and higher went from 1,845 at the end of 2019 to 2,522 in September this year. The lower grades within that, grade 3 to grade 5, went from 11,800 to 13,700. There is no doubt there is growth in senior grades. I have not disputed that and I think I called it out myself here the first day. The HSE is top heavy in the centre, which is why I am changing the structure. I issued the final draft of the new centre structure design today. There were approximately 25 national director posts when I came into the HSE in March. Through attrition and other conditions, I have already reduced that to 21.