John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I am here as a legislator, chairing this committee. We are all very busy people, whether we are Senators or Deputies. Joe Bloggs can stop me on the street and tell me that we are not delivering in the health service. I am given these examples and therefore I have to take them to Mr. Moloney. If I was in the HSE, I would expect the managers to understand that this is the case. Anyone listening today can hear about the supposed negotiations that were ongoing between Mr. Moloney, Mr. Robert Watt, the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, the Minister for Health and the Government making decisions. Mr. Moloney is making it appear as if it is the Government that we should be talking to about this, but we all know that the people behind the scenes, the civil servants, are the ones that are crunching the numbers. I would say that Mr. Moloney does not even know what numbers are being crunched in the HSE because they are not there. There is no reporting. Mr. Moloney mentioned the State Claims Agency earlier. What does that cost the HSE every year?