Gerry Horkan (Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I presume that the conference teams are broad but active travel would very much be safe and inclusive transport because we are not just talking about safety here, we are asking whether people feel comfortable on a Luas service late at night, on a DART train or a Nitelink bus? Inclusive transport should be for everybody, be they mobility challenged, and so on.

On the other side, there is the sustainable mobility of people and goods where we all cannot - much and all as we would all like to - drive everywhere quickly and speedily because everybody else is in the way. We all need to move around but there are other ways as well as private cars. These might work in more isolated areas but in urban, built-up environments, the private car is not the way in which most people in big cities move around because they will just not fit that number of people.

Deputy Lowry wants to come back in very briefly, then Deputy Kenny, and I will finally put a number of questions myself.