David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

That would be a matter of judgment and people can form their own conclusions. Ms Hardiman has given her view and I have given mine.

On procurement, Ms Hardiman said there was an invoice. She stated strongly, and rightly so, that the springs should never has been used. I find it extraordinary that, even today, she cannot tell us whether they were sourced and procured by a consultant directly or by others, and whether they were formally procured through Children's Health Ireland. That makes no sense to anybody in this room.