Neasa Hourigan (Dublin Central, Green Party) | Oireachtas source

I want to finish up on a question to Ms Hardiman. I note the reports are from the medical establishment and I am not from the medical establishment. They are very data-driven and focused on outcomes in terms of infection rates and so on. I do not know medicine but I know procurement very well, and there is very little about procurement. We have talked a little today about public trust and about the difficulty for the families in getting information. It is incredibly opaque to me how somebody walked into a theatre with a non-medical device. I am not asking about the specific person. I am trying to understand who in CHI is in charge of procurement - not the individual person, but what is the title. How does it happen? I imagine that in a controlled situation where there is a controlled device that has a reference code, that is delivered through a controlled piece of procurement to the hospital, it is then stored within a controlled environment, as a medicine would be, it is packaged in a sterile package and it is delivered to the theatre in controlled circumstances. What has been described in the press this week is somebody putting a spring in their pocket and walking into a theatre. I do not understand how that level of opaqueness is allowed in this process. I do not understand how that device was walked into a theatre, in theory. Can the witnesses advise me how a device is walked into a theatre that is not packaged or CE-marked? I am sorry to sound completely naïve. I just do not understand. In theory, how would it happen?