John Lahart (Dublin South West, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

That would be helpful, I thank Professor Jones. I find it hard, as a human being. I am not pressing Professor Jones, as I accept his bona fides. However, I find it hard to encounter someone who has never seen a situation where they have not been moved to think that there has to be a better way than this, because this is a terrible existence for a human being, whether it is in terms of the pain or something else. I find it really-----