Mr. Noel Kelly:

Any meeting I ever had with Ms Forbes - and we had six or seven meetings I think - was always held with her chief financial officers or their people, or her legal team or other parts of the legal team. She was never on her own; she could not do that. Nobody can make that decision alone - no director general and no chair. It would have to be discussed by too many people. That is the bizarreness, that one person could actually-----