Mr. Noel Kelly:

No. We worked with Mr. Gerry Ryan, Lord rest him. The measure for radio show listenership figures, including for Gerry Ryan's show, is the JNLR. When they go down, people in radio say "Oh they are down and what can we do?" If the figures go down two or three times over a 12 month period the person's job is under threat, literally. The person is an independent contractor-----