Mr. Noel Kelly:

I have met him a couple of times, similar to how I have met Dee Forbes six or seven times. I do not have relationships with these people. We meet them with their lawyers and accountants in their board rooms. I have not had a cup of tea or lunch or dinner with them. These are people you meet in the main tower at RTÉ when you are negotiating contracts, but I do not know these people. They are not my friends. I do not know them.