Ms Geraldine O'Leary:

To be clear, I was not in the room when the commercial element of the deal was negotiated as part of this. In 2020, as we know, I did the deal with the commercial partner. It took two years because of Covid but there was a transaction where they got three high-profile events with the presenter. I was not across any commercial deal in 2021 or 2022. In 2021, the director general spoke to me on a number of occasions about whether another commercial deal could be done. My answer was "No". I was very conscious that we still had not delivered the first deal, so the answer was "No". She spoke to me a number of times in early 2022 and said we need-----