Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Wednesday, 31 May 2023

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach

Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed)

Photo of Pearse DohertyPearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I have seen some of the cases that have been in court, including in my own county, and exactly that occurred. It is not just a transfer online. It is a presence locally, taking the cash out and the checks and balances from the banks, which ask how that person ended up with €15,000. Many people think it is quick cash and all the rest, but if there is €20,000 coming into your account overnight, the banks will ask you where you got those funds. Anybody who thinks they will not ask those questions is wrong.

I want to ask about the type of structure in place.

A lot of people think that this is outside the country, which it may well be, and organised at a high level but in a lot of the cases I have seen reported, it has been friends or acquaintances who approached people. It is a structure on the ground. It is like a massive network and while a lot of it is happening online, there is also a physical presence on the ground. I ask our guests to talk to us about where this activity is based, both domestically and internationally, and the type of structure that has to be disrupted to bring it to an end.

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