Mr. Adrian Kelly:

I will make one point. SMEs are extremely important to the Irish economy. The problem is that utilising software like Mr. Umit Uygur's is critical. Most SMEs today assume that they were not hacked yesterday so they will be okay today. That is the kind of process they are going through. Using the likes of the cyber-risk assessment tool, however, they can be shown very quickly that they have usernames and passwords that have been leaked and are out there, and that just because someone has not used them yet does not mean they will in the future. Unfortunately, however, most of the SMEs do not even know that has happened. They are blissfully unaware. Shining a spotlight on that and showing them how advanced this is, the threat actors that are out there and how things can go very wrong very quickly is critical. When I speak at various conferences and so on, it could be the woodwork industry or something like that, these guys maybe set up their businesses at the back of a house and they become extremely large. The have machinery sitting in their warehouses that is worth maybe €5 million or €6 million. When I ask them about how they fix these machines when they break down, they say that they are connected and that a company in Germany or wherever comes in and programmes them and does it for them. They have no IT person on site and no real IT awareness. They are convinced because they are maybe at the back end of somewhere that they are safe and that nobody knows them. They are blissfully unaware. It is critical, using the likes of Mr. Umit Uygur's software, that we shine a light on that and show them some of the gaps and things that are there and close those front doors we talk about. Obviously, it us much easier to walk in a front door than it is to get in a window. We need to start closing those doors.