Mr. Pat Larkin:

On the cybersecurity campus, one of the factors in successful cybersecurity is collaboration. That could be threat intelligence sharing or collaboration on research and development. There are some good models, especially the Centre for Secure Information Technologies, CSIT, in Belfast, which is a kind of one-stop shop for research, development and innovation, but also the full collaboration and co-ordination of all the key stakeholders under one branded entity. It may have geographic outreach like a hub-and-spoke model to all the stakeholders and participants in it. This has been the subject of a proposal for funding from some of our members and they have estimated the cost of constructing and running such a campus at about €40 million a year. We see it as key to the acceleration of the co-ordination and collaboration on the development of the sector in Ireland to address such a centre. It would address issues my colleague, Professor O'Shea, has raised with regard to research and innovation. It would also deal with educational issues and even some of the problems articulated by our members. It is the talent pool, it is research, development and innovation and then it is scale. It is the opportunity also to scale our indigenous organisations and bring in FDI at scale. This campus is key to that as well. If the Deputy looks at the first point we raised, the challenge for the sector and even Cyber Ireland in trying to move forward the cybersecurity agenda here is the fragmented nature of how cyber is dealt with at a government and societal level. This is the opportunity to bring this kind of co-ordination at an industry level under one umbrella branded-entity organisation.