Mr. Pat Hynes:

I thank Senator Black for her remarks.

I echo what Ms McNamee said. The Senator, in her statement, told us it is pretty much what we do. We really are trying to get behind some of the public pronouncements and to understand what is driving what is being said in public. Dialogue very often reveals. It can reveal heretofore unseen qualities, whether they are vulnerabilities or whatever else. In those quiet dialogues, as Ms McNamee said, there is an opportunity to see much more fundamentally behind what is really being expressed, and in that process, as the Senator will know, relationships are formed. I think that when people make themselves vulnerable in such a situation or express themselves in a particular way and give a sense of why they feel a particular way about an issue, others will very often respond positively to that, relationships will be built and trust might creep in. I am sure the Senator will know from her work with the Rise Foundation that that can take some time. We do not do this in one meeting. The fact that people keep coming back is almost like an affirmation of the fact that they have heard something, received something or understood something and maybe want to come back and explore something a little more, probe a little deeper or share something. Very often it is about the ongoing connections and ongoing work that is, for us, the affirmation that some positive impact is being made here, but it is slow.