Mr. Pat Hynes:

I agree with the Senator. However, given the fractured nature of the space, they probably have to start in quiet conversations in confidence. There are obvious reasons we could all elaborate on for why unionists would not come into a discussion, although there is no requirement for us to do so today. There are concerns about whether something is front-loaded and if this is already decided and so on. It is about creating a space and an opportunity for an open conversation where people come and put their concerns around where they think things are and where they feel things might end up being against their interests in the future. We have done this before with the committee and I know Deputy Brendan Smith was present with us on previous occasions where quiet conversations are probably the best way to start. We must then take that opportunity to quietly explore with them the options and opportunities for how we discuss what the future might look like. That must be done without any sense of a front-loaded ending point.