Ms Claire McManus:

My point is similar to Mr. Browne's but I would go a little further. I would calculate the benefit of that type of project in comparison with suburban sprawl. Suburban sprawl is currently the viable option. We must calculate the benefit of, for example, converting a factory to housing in a town where you can walk everywhere and compare it with the one-off eco-house in the countryside that requires car journeys everywhere. We should calculate the benefit of using existing schools and trains and supporting existing shops, include the results in the climate targets and find a way of making those metrics count. Then we might see the smaller in-fill stuff and the type of development Mr. Browne mentioned happening