Mr. John Green:

Some of us tend to look at South Africa and remember Archbishop Tutu. Some of it was almost farcical. I have spoken to Wilhelm Verwoerd and Kader Asmal, who some members might remember was a professor of law here, then went back to be a minister with responsibility for water and then returned here. He used to say we should remember it was not about the outcomes but the process. It was a catharsis. It was when people realised there was a change in society. It was not perfect. I was very impressed with Wilhelm Verwoerd. He said that if we took the whole of what happened and all of the hearings they were significant. Rather than picking and choosing we should consider the number of people who went through it. Similarly with Chile and Colombia, representatives at the conference spoke about how important it was that people knew the process was happening and how it brought in everybody. People saw the change. People were made accountable who were not accountable before.

With regard to the British Government and whether it will or will not reveal the facts, I am told, by people who are much more expert at this, that most of the information we need is out there but we have to understand how to get it. It is available under the ten-year rule but it is about pulling it together because there are codes. We have been working with several people who have helped individuals by knowing where to look.

Our main thrust of this is that the Governments must participate.

With the greatest of respect to this building and the people in it, when I go up to counties Tyrone and Fermanagh there are many people who feel that we have been behind the eight ball in revealing information as well.