Ms Colette Bennett:

I could not agree more with Ms Ciesielski. I was nodding my head vigorously in terms of not looking at retrospective tagging but using it as a framework, which is what it is meant to be. Similarly, in regard to our well-being indicators. One can tag or connect each of the well-being dimensions to the SDGs if one wants to pull it back into national policy. Again, these things will only work if they are used as policy frameworks under which we then make our policy as opposed to being badges we stick on policies that are already there.

In terms of international best practice, everybody has mentioned Finland. They always seem to be the good example, them and the Swedes, but there are others. The whole human rights approach that Scotland is taking with its commission is really positive.

We have the Welsh example. Deputy Ó Cathasaigh is very familiar with what is happening in Wales. He brought over staff from the Office of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales. There is the whole well-being context with Canada and child poverty. New Zealand was very much to the forefront in respect of that matter. There are examples of best practice available that we can learn from. We should do all of that, but I am hesitant because it might delay matters again. Realistically, we should not need to learn from these various international departments and commissions, because we already know what is involved. We already have a framework. We were one of the leaders in implementing this in 2015, and then it fell off the agenda. It was almost like the work had been done before it had even been started. We know what needs to be done. It is about looking at policies that connect everything. If we are talking about anything, whether it is food sustainability, energy sustainability, poverty, or business, the question is how does it impact on each of the SDGs. It is guaranteed that it will have an impact on each of the SDGs.