Mr. Eugene Drennan:

It is nonsense. So much could be put on a trusted list or whatever way we go or be taken as being, for example, timber or desk chairs and there is no money in this for anybody so there is no need to have this massive control of these goods. Maybe you could have the odd check to make sure they are what they say they are and is what they say it is on the tin. With that totality of control or development, anything that moves must be put on a mutual recognition agreements, MRA, declaration. It goes on a groupage load, which is an amalgam but not a unit load for travelling. A groupage load is an amalgam of all sorts of different products. The amalgam of those products is gathered together in what is known as a PBN or pre-boarding number, so this is what it says and this is how it travels. We then developed it further that the ferry companies at the ramp-up, and we could have it earlier than the ramp-up because we say we are travelling and if we are not travelling then cancel, it but they would not accept until the ramp went up on the ship, but that is then headed for Ireland. The IT system says the load is coming, we have said the load is coming and have said what is in the package. The load will not be looked at in Dublin Port, especially around weekend times, until arrival. We have trucks coming into different places, which is another reason we need an overlook at the usage of the facilities in both Dublin Port and Rosslare. We are going from one terminal to the next terminal and to the next terminal because they did not decide where we have to go but that is controlled by customs. It should be designated in real-time IT to the truckers who leave the ship. They have got it all and it is all there and that movement makes us illegal. We either take the chance because it is a short movement or park up in the first one we go into because the combined rest for a driver is included with the voyage. Once you only use one movement on to the ship and one movement off it then it is completed when we go into terminal 11. If we have to go to the next one, even though it is a short distance, say from here to St. Stephen's Green, then the move is deemed illegal and we can be charged up to 28 days later, and the English are very good at picking us off now and fining us £1,500. So those are the efficiencies in the use of IT, and seamless.