Ms Mary Murphy:

Yes, exactly, so it does not hold as true. It might mean there is a wider problem with incentives for employers to train but it cannot be particular to the situation of older persons. On mandatory retirement, we must think of the experience of someone in their 60s in an office or other work environment. The employer can have all sorts of policies and initiatives - there may be training days and all these things around age-positivity and inclusion - but if the worker knows that when they turn 65 they are out of there no matter what, that as soon as they hit that birthday they are gone and have no say in it, the benefit of age-positive policies is not going to be particularly pronounced because people know that their presence in their workplace is dictated by their age and nothing else.