Mr. P?draic Fogarty:

I want to make a comment about monitoring and enforcement. Deputy Ó Broin made the point in both previous hearings about who we call. That is an existing problem in Ireland because nobody knows who to call half of the time. It is worse at sea.

When it comes to monitoring and enforcement, it is worth thinking about it in two different ways because we have offshore areas where the only real activity that is going on is fishing. It is usually big boats and industrial fishing that is going on in offshore areas. If we create an MPA in one of those areas, basically, there is no fishing. It is quite easy to monitor because there are already applications online to tell us where boats are and what they are doing. We can quite easily determine whether the boats are in these areas or what they are doing, whether they are just passing through or whether they are fishing. That bit should be quite easy, notwithstanding that people will be discommoded by it, but when we come inshore it is obviously much more complicated because there are multiple uses. We are likely to have marine protected areas that will have some fishing in them, but the fishing will have to be tightly controlled and monitored. At the moment, we do not know who is going to be in charge of that or how that is going to happen. With regard to the Bill and what we would like to see in it, I do not see where responsibility is laid. Who is in charge of the MPA? Who is going to be looking after it? Even on land at the moment, for SACs, we are not sure half the time whose job it is to do what. There is an opportunity here to clarify that for us, and in terms of monitoring.

If I could just make one other quick point that I meant to-----