Mr. Gerry Foley:

I can speak with authority about the ESB scheme. There is an annual report but with regard to information, the trustees of the ESB pension scheme refuse to talk to the pensioners' organisation. They absolutely refuse. It should be remembered that the power in pension schemes is vested in the pension provider. The pension provider appoints all the trustees of a pension scheme. It is outrageous that if you look for information on your pension scheme outside the annual report, you are refused.