Mr. Tony Collins:

For the record, I emphasised in my presentation that it is solely to deal with pension issues. If there was a situation as outlined by the Deputy, existing workers are going to be retired workers and will be affected by the very same issues that we have here. If they decided to exercise a right on their behalf then we have no control over that. Our mantra is that we just want to deal with the pension issues and I think I have mentioned that other matters should not be confused with pension issues. If discussions and negotiations take place, then they should be exclusively on pension issues. We have no control over what the workers may do. First, we need access so we want a seat at the table with the sponsoring employer because we feel we have a right to be there if our pension rights are being discussed. I have given a practical example of the ESB where we were not at the table and to this very day that agreement, which was in place back in 2010, has no end date. That agreement is still being called on by the sponsoring employer.