Mr. Barry Torpey:

I might make a clarification about the term "not fit for purpose". My understanding is that HIQA did not use that term anywhere, and I have not seen it in any of the reports. Rather, the HSE used that term. HIQA did not use the term "not fit for purpose" in any of its reports. I have gone through the 2018 report and the phrase is not there. That was brought forward by the HSE as one of its reasons. If the committee takes anything away from today's meeting, it might reflect on the key issue raised by the HSE relating to narrow hallways. What does it mean for a hallway to be "narrow"? The first metric should be the dimensions. After 11 months of us seeking information, nobody in the HSE had measured the hallway. There is no figure on paper to say what it is or what it should be. What more can we say? Nobody even measured the hallway. That is what we face when we look for information, and that took 11 months of going through the Information Commissioner. It turned out nobody had measured the hallway, and the HSE cannot tell us what it is or what it should be.