Ruairi Ó Murchú (Louth, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

That is it. I believe that is what we all want, to basically have some sort of framework that provides people with safe and sustainable employment. There will always be disputes but there seems to be a huge amount of unease at the minute. Have the witnesses heard about this issue about ratios? We have heard it from numerous people at this stage. It is very easy for someone to say it does not occur. I ask Ms Nash to also deal with the issue as regards HODs. She spoke about moving away from the HOD system, which is an acceptance that there were problems with it.