Mr. John McKeon:

I accept that, but there are a lot of things CE schemes do that other service providers, in both the private and public sectors, do. If they were exclusively set up on a formal employment basis, there would be questions as to whether the people who are on CE schemes would satisfy the recruitment requirements because there are certain standards. What we are trying to do is give an opportunity to people who are very distant from the labour market to get occupational activity that, if they applied for a job in the HSE, they probably would not get.