Mr. John McKeon:

No. They are cases where we specifically identified those sectors and specifically went in, picked out cases and had a look at them. On the general situation - the Comptroller and Auditor General refers to this - to attempt to estimate for the entire economy what the level of false self-employment is, I estimate we would have to do about 15,000 inspections per year across all sectors. To do all those investigations and to go into an employer and tell them we want to open up all their books and go through this level of intrusive investigation, whereby we have to interview the employer and the individual worker and look at their employment record and their conditions of employment before we make a determination, is a very labour-intensive process. To do that across 15,000 employers when the indications from the data - I mentioned the 25,000 investigations in the meat processing sector and the numbers we looked at in the journalism sector - and the evidence from those investigations are that this is not as widespread as people think would be-----