Ms Kate Mulkerrins:

I will go back to the first point, which was why signage is so important. We will take a real example of a protest that occurred close to but not in what would be an exclusion zone around the Rotunda, on Parnell Square. There were 2,000 participants. If we were to give a general warning to cease and desist and to move outside the zone to 2,000 people, there would be the practical points the Deputy makes as to whether we would be able to engage and to address 2,000 people and take all the relevant details. If they were then to move on to a second or third location without proper signage, they would have the potential defence that it is not a strict liability offence as intended, although we can talk more about mens rea. They would have the reasonable excuse that they did not know until the second warning at the second location that they had infringed the safe parameters. They are inextricably-----