Ms Sarah Clancy:

It would be worth replacing fairness with justice. The action will have to be just. When we think of fairness, we think of everybody getting the same, everybody changing the same amount and so on, whereas justice is different. This is where just transition comes in. We would be trying to seek just approaches. On the way in, we were joking about disposable coffee cups, saying that having to sit down to drink coffee from a non-disposable cup is not a human rights issue. Therefore, we do not have a justice issue in that regard. We may need to have a just transition plan to determine which businesses will be affected and how they can be supported. It is a matter of differentiating between asking people to make a non-serious behavioural change that is not detrimental to their well-being, life or human rights and asking them to make a really significant change. One can insist on one happening. The plastic bag levy and smoking ban that were introduced are examples. The vast majority of the population were not out clamouring for these. It is a matter of a justice analysis to determine whether a measure is for the common good and whether there are negative consequences we have not envisaged or planned for. It is in this regard that we are talking about a just transition. If it is unjust, you cannot expect people who will suffer from it to buy into it and support it, even though some will, which is an extraordinary thing about people.

It is a cliché but sometimes if you are losing something based on your very privileged position, it can feel like your human rights are being abused. I would definitely try to do what is best to achieve consensus and explain things. The right to public transport for the majority in a city and the right of people to 2 sq. m of their garden are not comparable, unless the people concerned have a justice-based reason that they need it. First, we are not doing consultation properly, and then we are doing consultation where we have decided something must happen for the common good. Consulting on something that is for the common good, taking in the views of everyone who might not agree with it based on a personal vested interest, and then trying somehow to incorporate that personal vested interest is a recipe for banging your head against a wall. That is where a just transition will help. It is a matter of asking whether it is a justice issue or human rights issue, or whether there is a right-to-a-climate issue. That is what we would really benefit from. People do not have time to think about it here but it is worth considering how this approach could be taken. Even if it is industry-----