Mr. David Doyle:

I will pick up on the point about families. We consider that to be very important. Our family open day is the most important day of the week for us. When a person is diagnosed with autism, it is really a diagnosis for the whole family. For us, it is about that meeting and greeting of other parents who are present and that they are not bringing their children to a centre to be fixed. The children are coming to have a sporting or meeting place. They come during the week for their therapy but Saturday is the day they come with their families.

It is also important because not only is the centre a place they can come to but also a centre they can go to out of hours. For me, as my daughter, Caroline, was growing up, we had other children we also had to be mindful of. If a tantrum was happening in the house, sometimes we had to take her outside. We spent hours driving and driving but we had nowhere to go.

Liskennett is a place that everybody has. If they are caught on Saturday, Sunday or at night-time and need to take somebody out, they can call in. There is a playground. The canteen and kitchen are never closed. That is what we are trying to promote. That is why it is really important. When someone has a tantrum and we need to go somewhere, they are used to being there. It is not that we are bringing them somewhere separate. In our case, we could not go to a park. They might pull the wing mirrors off a car or something like that. That is what we are trying to promote in Liskennett.

As for Kildare, we are building another place in Cork but we have also helped design a place in Kildare and one other place as well. I do not want to mention their names now. For small money, it is possible.

There are brilliant equestrian centres. Let there be no doubt about it. We are not here to promote the view that everyone with autism needs to go to a place like Liskennett. Our goal is that people will be able to go to their local community centre. However, some people need more support and help to get them to that goal and that is what we provide.