Ms Roisin Duffy:

The whole point of this and one of the first rules of thumb of gender balance in media, like dealing with contributors or experts the Deputy spoke about, is that there be no tokenism. Tokenism is completely and utterly damaging for any organisation. However, quite often there is more than one good expert who can be on a panel, and sometimes you have to dig deeper to find the two, three or four other people who can do the job just as well. For example, if you are in a situation where you are dealing with Brexit and most of the commentators or experts are male, then there has to be a red flag at programme level to say that is not sustainable and there needs to be a deep dive to find the people we need.