Matt Shanahan (Waterford, Independent) | Oireachtas source

I appreciate that. One of the things I would like to see is some kind of framework within this whereby companies would try to investigate their own supply chains, even where they are buying from a third party. If it means that companies must have a policy stating that they have put people on the ground in South America or Africa, have seen what is going on and are moderating, looking at and engaging with that, that, to me, is the only meaningful thing. Beyond that, it is a matter of advocacy around trying to get at those people on the ground and trying to get the message out, as Ms Lawlor says. Corporate reputation and money are the only two things that really matter here at the end of the day to try to effect behavioural change. They are the fastest way to get it.