Ms Mary Lawlor:

Getting back to the Deputy's question, there are webs, as the Deputy said, but it is up to us to look at the overall company and do some mandatory human rights and environmental due diligence on who its suppliers are and if they are small suppliers that have not been acknowledged. The problem is that they all try to disguise it. One always begins with the first step. One wants hope, and this is really hopeful. If we do this, it will be the start of a really good initiative that will save the lives of human rights defenders. I have no doubt about that. It will require a bit of research. With companies that outsource we must look at who they are outsourcing to and what are the contracts. Human rights defenders can help with this. They are the ones that will be able to implement the directive when it is introduced because they will monitor on the ground what is happening.